Anonymous 10/02/24 (Wed) 05:46:06 No. 3194
wow, that's actually some bullshit
Anonymous 10/02/24 (Wed) 17:52:53 No. 3195 >>3197
>>3193 They may or may not. If one of the remaining big titles doesn't work someone will probably pick up the code and put out a fork that works, assuming nobody does it before then. It's possible they'll just work with the existing state of either Ryujinx or Yuzu, though.
Anonymous 10/02/24 (Wed) 22:17:54 No. 3197 >>3201
>>3195 The bright side of this is that, based on the wording, unlike Yuzu, Ryujinx wasn't strong armed into handing over the rights to the source code. With Yuzu, Nintendo owns the IP and can shut down any forks, whereas with Ryujinx someone can theoretically pick up the pieces and start working on it again. I'm not super hopeful that will happen, though... In the 7 months following Yuzu being shut down, it kind of seems like all of the developers who were working on it scattered to the wind, so it wouldn't surprise me if Ryujinx has the same fate and is stuck as-is.
Anonymous 10/02/24 (Wed) 22:33:38 No. 3198 >>3202
Fuck Nintendo and fuck anyone that buys Nintendo products
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 01:00:13 No. 3201 >>3205
>>3197 >Nintendo owns the IP and can shut down any forks ??? I'm pretty sure you can't retroactively un-open source your open source code. Yuzu was pretty heavily monetized so without that incentive it makes sense people would focus on the Switch emulator that wasn't under legal heat and was arguably better anyway. With no alternatives it's way more likely a fork will start with serious effort. I can't imagine Metroid Prime 4 coming out and people just giving up on playing it with a stable framerate.
If the theory that Nintendo is going after these things so late in the Switch's life cycle because their new console uses a similar architecture and they're afraid of a Dolphin situation is true, that will definitely push people to start deving them again. Also it will be hilarious and exactly what the jewish cunts deserve.
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 07:27:51 No. 3202 >>3206
>>3198 No Nintendo products, no Nintendo games.
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 08:07:54 No. 3204
It's not like people can't develop anything without it being legal either way... Everyone knows tons of people use emulation for piracy, wouldn't be that hard to believe someone would anonymously upload a few commits to a repository hosted in a third world country that doesn't care about copyright. We already pirate all sorts of videos and music. There's people writing code for all sorts of illegal shenanigans out there. Some for profit, some for self interest. Even companies do it and routinely use GPL code in closed source programs.
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 08:13:23 No. 3205 >>3219 >>3225
>>3201 I might be misremembering, but one part about why Nintendo went after Yuzu first was because they had included Nintendo-copyrighted material in the source code, which allowed them to go after it, and all forks, on the basis of DMCA. So, not only are they sole owner/maintainer of the now closed source Yuzu, but all previously existent (and attempts at current) forks are in breach of DMCA because Yuzu wasn't cleanroom developed. Ryujinx, however, had no copyrighted material and you had to supply much more for it to start working.
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 11:52:39 No. 3206
>>3202 And this is supposed to mean anything? Fuck you for buying nintedo products. Fuck you for supporting the Japanese Satan.
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 13:57:40 No. 3208 >>3209 >>3215
They have a right to do that. Emulators are illegal.
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 15:17:55 No. 3209 >>3210
>>3208 they are not
use of an emulator can be illegal (namely, if you didn't acquire all the files needed to run it yourself), but the program itself isn't if it wasn't made via someone else's copyrighted code (eg, distributing firmware files or being made via leaked SDKs)
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 15:26:09 No. 3210 >>3211 >>3214 >>3226
>>3209 There are still terms of service to consider and also even if you own the game it's still illegal to pirate it on PC to play on an emulator and somehow moving the files from your copy of the game to a PC would still possibly be illegal and against the terms of service. And then there is the matter of patterns and copyrights.
These things get shut down for a reason. If they were not doing anything wrong they would not be shut down.
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 15:33:16 No. 3211 >>3213
>>3210 Terms of Service and EULA are not legally enforceable in any country.
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 15:34:54 No. 3212
damn, this is outrageous, guess I'm not going to buy any more Nintendo handhelds or consoles...
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 15:36:07 No. 3213
>>3211 Because they aren't laws. They are still grounds for other actions through.
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 15:38:20 No. 3214
>>3210 Things like game backups should in theory be legal, at least in the US, because the courts have long maintained that it is legal for consumers to format shift music and movies they purchased. This is why CD ripping is perfectly legal. With regards to games, it's never been tried in court -- no one wants to set a legal precedent that it is illegal, and lawyers fees are very expensive, so most settle out of court.
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 15:40:08 No. 3215
>>3208 They are literally using emulated IP in their own fucking console. Don't give me that shit.
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 15:41:42 No. 3216 >>3217 >>3218
Reminder that intellectual property is a protection racket that murders millions every year.
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 15:52:23 No. 3219 >>3225 >>3246 >>3253
>>3205 The permanent injunction in Nintendo v. Tropic Haze doesn't say that. It just says:
>Developing or distributing software, including Yuzu, that in its ordinary course functions only when cryptographic keys are integrated without authorization, violates the Digital Millennium Copyright Act If I understand the US legal system correctly, by virtue of being signed off by a judge, this is binding on all US district courts (and lower?).
So Nintendo can now credibly say they will sue you and you WILL lose (i.e. need to appeal) if you host Yuzu's source code on any US webhost or distribute it through any US ISP, I guess.
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 15:53:47 No. 3220
meanwhile if anyone posts it right now I'm going to become the tyrant mod for trying to protect the longitivity of the site...
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 15:56:37 No. 3221
>>3218 Americans don't deserve sympathy.
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 15:58:47 No. 3222
Nintendo lawyer here, just want to let everyone know that this website has been on our radar for a while and we are monitoring for any suspicious activity.
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 16:05:43 No. 3224
I want to be a Nintendo Lawyer when I grow up. Protecting the innocent, writing wrongs, making society a better and fairer place.>>3223
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 17:55:25 No. 3225 >>3228
>>3205 I think you're confusing it with Dolphin, which created issues when RetroArch was put on Steam because it contained the Wii common key which was a copyrighted string of random characters. Yuzu and Ryujinx both made you go out and find the supplementary files yourself.
>>3219 Yuzu settled out of court, there was no precedent set and I'm pretty sure your quote comes from Nintendo's claim, it's just the bullshit they said to explain why they felt like they have something to sue over not something a judge or anybody else has agreed was true. The consensus, as far as I'm aware, is that they were hosting pirated versions of games on their servers for testing updates to make Yuzu run leaked games and the team knew they'd get fucked for that even if the emulator itself wasn't a problem. The argument that "it needs keys to add the functionality that we think most people want more" is really weak.
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 18:35:02 No. 3226 >>3232
>>3210 >There are still terms of service to consider There are no terms of services to consider when you buy a physical game in a store. Terms of services in most countries are also deemed invalid if the customer is unable to understand it, or they are too unreasonable.
>and also even if you own the game it's still illegal to pirate it on PC to play on an emulator and somehow moving the files from your copy of the game to a PC would still possibly be illegal This is legal almost all over the world. Why are you voluntarily spreading corporate propaganda to feel good about yourself for repeating shit rumors they themselves have spread to cause fear in consumers?
>And then there is the matter of patterns and copyrights. No copyrights are broken when I copy my game from my cartridge to my sd card. I am legally free to do what I want with my own game as long as I don't give the copy to someone else.
>These things get shut down for a reason. If they were not doing anything wrong they would not be shut down. I can't tell if you're trolling or retarded enough to actually believe this. What you wrote is just "I don't know why this happens, but it must be for a reason".
Just sit out of the conversation.
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 18:41:29 No. 3227 >>3232
Also last but not least, who gives a fuck if it's illegal. Grow a spine. Do some crime.
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 22:40:39 No. 3228
>>3225 The quote is from the final judgement, not the original claim:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.rid.56980/gov.uscourts.rid.56980.11.0.pdf It definitely looks like a judge did agree. But yeah, to be fair, I wouldn't know if this counts as a precedent anyone cares about.
Anonymous 10/03/24 (Thu) 23:58:44 No. 3231
This has come up a few times now (thanks Nintendo) so I've got the relevant parts of the DMCA boiled down for ya:>The DMCA bans bypassing DRM >The DMCA has exceptions for when you may legally bypass DRM >One exception is for "interoperability" of computer systems, quite literally getting legitimately acquired software running on a system the original publishers did not intend >But the DMCA says all exceptions are forfeit if they're for a "piracy" "device"
Anonymous 10/04/24 (Fri) 02:18:52 No. 3232 >>3233
>>3226 Terms of service are still there in physical games, even if you buy a game in store the ToS message will still pop up when you play it the first time.
ToS are quite important when it comes to cases like this, if the ToS say that you are only allowed to play on Switch then any emulator service would breach ToS and therefore the only way you could play a game on an emulator without breaching ToS would be to pirate the game, which is obviously illegal.
>>3227 I myself pirate things, just because I do it does not mean it's right or that the companies that owns these properties have no legal grounds to come after me. They do and they have a right to come after me if they can, I am in the wrong.
Anonymous 10/04/24 (Fri) 06:35:38 No. 3233 >>3235 >>3237
>>3232 >ToS are quite important when it comes to cases like this, if the ToS say that you are only allowed to play on Switch then any emulator service would breach ToS and therefore the only way you could play a game on an emulator without breaching ToS would be to pirate the game Breaking terms of service is not in itself illegal. This does not matter at all.
What are they gonna do, deny you service for breaking the terms? You're already not using their service if you buy a game and play it on a computer instead.
>They do and they have a right to come after me if they can, I am in the wrong. I hope you get NTR'd.
Anonymous 10/04/24 (Fri) 08:38:20 No. 3235 >>3236 >>3248
>>3233 >You're already not using their service if you buy a game and play it on a computer instead. Exactly, don't you see? In such a situation there is no valid grounds to use an emulator as by necessity you are either using a service that was denied to you or you are pirating it. So how exactly could you mount a legal defence if you are making such an emulator? You couldn't.
Anonymous 10/04/24 (Fri) 09:16:54 No. 3236 >>3237
>>3235 >Exactly, don't you see? Devices aren't produced forever. Machines break. This is a piss-poor argument.
>In such a situation there is no valid grounds to use an emulator There's many reasons to use an emulator. I mean this with the utmost sincerity though I don't like to make rude posts, but shut the fuck up. All you're contributing is needless fearmongering and corporate propaganda furthering the loss of our rights. The more these ridiculous and faulty sentiments are spread, the bolder the corporations get as they realize they can push things further without the protests of the people.
Anonymous 10/04/24 (Fri) 10:19:08 No. 3237
>>3236 So what if they break? What is your argument even meant to be here?
What reason? Because using an emulator to play a game that you have been denied or to play a game you haev pirated are not valid reasons.
>I mean this with the utmost sincerity though I don't like to make rude posts >>3233 >I hope you get NTR'd. Well that's exactly what I expected form somebody like you, you don't have a sincere or civilised bone in your body.
And no, you don't have a right to pirate.
Anonymous 10/04/24 (Fri) 11:32:44 No. 3238
As long as I can emulate a game 5 years after it comes out, I'm okay with whatever.
Anonymous 10/04/24 (Fri) 13:55:12 No. 3241
>>3239 >>3240
Anonymous 10/04/24 (Fri) 14:12:16 No. 3243 >>3244
>>3242
Anonymous 10/04/24 (Fri) 14:16:32 No. 3244
>>3243 Rights are a spook.
Anonymous 10/04/24 (Fri) 15:04:33 No. 3245 >>3246
Lame ass "discussion"
Anonymous 10/04/24 (Fri) 15:11:49 No. 3246 >>3247 >>3248 >>3253
There is something else that I will add that is worth mentioning regarding this situation.
While the court already stated it was piracy as
>>3219 posted, it's worth examining what the result would be had it been deemed legal instead. Because it would not be what you think it would be or what you actually want.
If it was deemed that emulating was legal and therefore that playing a game you own on any platform was legal it would result in two possible scenarios, though the second is more likely.
First. This would essentially mean the end of platform exclusivity which Nintendo owes a lot of it's success to and is the reason why it targets emulators like this, Nintendo would be relegated to being just another game publisher like Sega and so would Sony. You would see the entire game industry be monopolised by one platform, everything would be PC and Microsoft. This clearly is not ideal.
Second and most likely. Nintendo and Sony would simply stop selling games. They would lease them instead or they would make them subscription based and they would also add security measures to make them unable to be emulated such as forcing them to always be online or if it gets bad enough they might even have them be cloud based. This is obviously something nobody wants.
>>3245 It can get lamer still.
Anonymous 10/04/24 (Fri) 15:22:55 No. 3247
>>3246 not until someone starts spamming. That's too lame even for the mods
Anonymous 10/04/24 (Fri) 17:16:15 No. 3248 >>3249 >>3252
>>3235 The emulator is for the purpose of documenting and preserving hardware functionality, educational purposes, and enabling the development of homebrew software. It does not need security keys to provide these key functionalities and is not distributed with them.
>>3246 This is a good trollpost, but I'd appreciate it if you stopped.
Anonymous 10/04/24 (Fri) 17:43:12 No. 3249
>>3248 You can put that in a university which is paying the rights holders fees for the time and effort they put into hardware and software development.
Anonymous 10/04/24 (Fri) 17:43:53 No. 3250
(and of course the government will write off those fees in educational institution tax cuts)
Anonymous 10/05/24 (Sat) 02:45:47 No. 3252
>>3248 It's not a troll post, you are just not able to see how the world works. Which is odd coming from somebody of your position. You would think that you would be aware of how big business behaves.
Anonymous 10/05/24 (Sat) 02:50:09 No. 3253
A ToS is subordinate to the law.
>>3219 >>3246 Nintendo's complaint wasn't litigated and is not precedent in the legal jargon sense of the word.
Anonymous 10/06/24 (Sun) 01:51:11 No. 3261
The emulator still exists for anyone who puts 2 seconds into google. You probably haven't even pirated anything in your life, you just want to pretend you're an edgy rulebreaker.
Anonymous 10/06/24 (Sun) 02:03:30 No. 3262
saw a negro cat in the street and told it to gb2leddit for being an asslicker
Anonymous 10/06/24 (Sun) 05:50:42 No. 3268 >>3269 >>3270 >>3272 >>3274
>>3263 Have you considered that the poster did in fact have braindamage though? I felt it was quite relevant to the conversation. Although I accept my position as a lowly poster beholden to the whims of the moderators, I disagree that it was out of line to remind anyone else in the thread that there was no point discussing further as they apparently did not have proper control of their brain functions and as such may not have been possible to reason with. As such, I believe I did everyone a favor by resulting to "ad-hominem".
Please don't tread on me, meido-sama.
Anonymous 10/06/24 (Sun) 05:51:49 No. 3269
>>3268 >resulting Resorting. I also appear to have lowered brain faculties..
Anonymous 10/06/24 (Sun) 05:55:24 No. 3270
>>3268 meidos exist to tread on people
Anonymous 10/06/24 (Sun) 12:32:32 No. 3273
>>3272 I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you want me to literally eat your ass. Assuming you are a rare female kissu poster I might accept your proposition, however should you be of the homosexual nature I must respectfully decline.